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������� �������  Lev Kobrin
  Sunny Isles Beach 
   ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ ������! �������-�� ��������� �����-�� ������������� �������� � ��������� ������������ ����. ���������� ����� ���������� �-� ����� �������� ��������� �������� ������������ �����. ����� ���������, ��� ��� ������� �� ������ ������ ��������� ��� �������, � ��������, �������-��, ���� ���������, ������� �������� � Driver License ������. ��������� ��� ������. � ����� ����, ��� ������. Davis signs driver's license bill Law aiding illegal immigrants is a ploy for Latino votes, foes say. By Emily Bazar -- Bee Capitol Bureau Published 2:15 a.m. PDT Saturday, September 6, 2003 Beginning Jan. 1, an estimated 2 million immigrants living in California illegally will be able to apply for and obtain driver's licenses. The controversial change was signed into law Friday by Gov. Gray Davis in a Department of Motor Vehicles office in an immigrant-heavy neighborhood of Los Angeles, culminating a years-long battle fought by immigrant-rights groups and certain lawmakers. The Democratic governor said the provisions of the measure, SB 60, will allow undocumented immigrants to obtain driver's training and purchase car insurance, making roads safer for all Californians. "Right now, let's not kid ourselves. People are driving to work," Davis said in a statement. "They're driving without demonstrating they know the rules of the road. They're driving without insurance. Everyone benefits by having drivers on the road know the rules of the road and presumably be a safer driver." The driver's license issue has been one of the top priorities for immigrant communities across the state, energizing them to hold rallies, call their lawmakers and pressure Davis to sign the bill, said Mark Silverman, director of immigration policy at the Immigrant Legal Resource Center in San Francisco. Immigrants argued that the measure would improve safety while giving them the opportunity to drive to work legally and take their children to school. "We should put ourselves in the place of someone who is afraid of taking his child to the hospital, who is afraid of driving to work, who is reluctant to buy a decent car because he's afraid of having it confiscated," Silverman said. But opponents accuse Davis of signing SB 60 to win votes in the Oct. 7 recall election. "He's getting an easy, cheap vote by lying and deceiving," said Carole Blalock, the immigration committee chairwoman for the European American Culture Council of Sacramento. Blalock argued that immigrants shouldn't be rewarded for entering the country illegally. She also believes that giving licenses to illegal immigrants poses security problems because documents can be faked. "It's a huge risk," Blalock said. "How do we know who they are? We had three of the terrorists come in through Mexico that bombed the New York towers." Before the governor signed the bill, talk radio shows in Southern California erroneously said his office had given advance notice only to Spanish-language media, in an effort to control news coverage. The governor's press office was flooded with calls from angry radio listeners. Opponents said they plan to announce Monday that they will work to overturn SB 60 by pushing for a ballot referendum. For decades, illegal immigrants were allowed to obtain driver's licenses in California. But beginning in 1994, immigrants had to prove they were here legally. Rather than stop driving, undocumented immigrants drove without licenses and insurance, said the measure's author, state Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles. Under the new rules, immigrants won't have to prove they're living in the country legally. Instead, they must provide a federal taxpayer identification number -- which can be obtained from the Internal Revenue Service -- and a combination of other documents, such as a birth certificate, foreign driver's license, foreign passport or a matricula consular ID card issued by the Mexican government. Undocumented immigrant
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   Response for: Lev Kobrin at 9/8/2003 1:03:00 PM
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   Iv
  Tucson 
   Response for: Lev Kobrin at 9/8/2003 1:03:00 PM
�� ���� ������, ��� � ���� ������� ��������... � ���� �� ����, ������� �� ����� ������ �������, ��� ��������.. ������ ������ �������������. � ��� �������, ������������ �������� - "make roads safer for everybody". �� ��� ��� - ���� ����� ����� ��� ����, �� ���� �������� �����������, ��� �� � ������ ��� ����� ������, ������ ������, ��� ��������� �� ������ ����� ������� �� �����. � ���� � ���� ��� ��������� � ������ �����, �� �� ������ ������� ���������� �����, ������ ��� �����, ��� ���� ��� ���������, �� ���� ��� �� ���������... ������ ������, ������ controversial �����, � � TIN ������ - ����� ������ ������ ����� �� ��� security measures. ������ ����� ��� - ��������� �� F1 vizah znachit trahaut vo vse diyrki, ����� � ���������, � ��� ��� ������ �� �����������, � ��� �������� ����� [po analogichnoi logike] ������������� ����������� ������ ���������� � ������� ���������� licence � �������...
   Lev Kobrin
  Sunny Isles Beach 
   Response for: ����� at 9/8/2003 2:37:00 PM
�����, �� ���-�� ������ ��� ������ � ����. BCIS (INS), IRS � DMV - ��� �� ������ �����������. � ��� �� � ���� ��� ������ ���� �� �����.... ������������� � ��������� ������ ���� Tax Payer No., ������ �������� �� ������ "�����" ������ ���������, ��������� ������ ��� ������. ������ ������������ ������ ������ "���", ������ �� ���������. � ��������, ���������� ������ ��������� - ��� ����� �� �����, ��� ���� ����� ������� ������ � �������� �����-�� �������. ������� ���������, ��� �� ����� ������, ��� ������.
   Lev Kobrin
  Sunny Isles Beach 
   Response for: Iv at 9/8/2003 4:37:00 PM
��! � ����� ���� ����� �������, ��� ���, ����� "�������������" ���������? ������ �������� ������, � �.�. ������� ��� ���� � ������������? � ��� ��� � ��� �� ����������. ���� ����������� ��������� � INS, ����� �������� �����, �� ���� ������������������, � �� ��� ������� "��������" ���� ��� �������. � �� ������, ������� �������� � ���������, ��� �� ����� ������. � �����, ��� �������� ����� ����������. �� ������� ��� ����� �������, ���� �� ������ ��� ����� ���� ���������, ��� ������.
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   Response for: Lev Kobrin at 9/9/2003 7:03:00 PM
���������, � ���� �������, ������� � ��� ��� ���� ����������. � ��� ������ ���� (� ��� �� ����� ����� ������ �������) , �� ��� ������������ ��� ������, � ���������� ������� � ��� �� ������� ��, ���� �� � ��� �� ���� ���� ID. ��� � ���� ����� ������ ����� ��� ��������, ������ �� ���� ����� ������� ��������. � ��� �� �� ������ �� �������� ������ � �������, � ���������� � ��� ������� �� �� ����� ������ ��������. ��� ����� ���������� ��� ���������.
   Myach
  Los Angeles 
   Response for: Lev Kobrin at 9/8/2003 1:03:00 PM
Why are you saying that it�s a good news. I think it�s the worst that Davis could have done before he is gone from the office. He is a cheat who is trying to win the votes before the re-election. This law will invite illegals from the whole country to get the license here in California. It will allow them to fly freely from one place to another and it serves as a major identification to buy guns and even to vote. Just yesterday I heard on the radio that there is no way to find out if a person who receives the drives license and checks �I am a citizen and would like to register to vote� box is actually a citizen or not. Is a total honorary system. Which means California will have illegal aliens voting for a president, mayor and other political officials who will continue defending the rights of the illegals and ruining our economy�
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  tampa 
   Response for: Myach at 9/10/2003 12:31:00 PM
����� ������ ��� ��������� ������������ ��������� � ����� � ��� ������� �������� ������ �� 2. ����� �� ��� ����� ������ � ����� � ����� ����� ��������� ��� ����� ������� ������ �� ��������� � ��������� ������� �� ���. � ������ ������ ��� ����� �������� � ��� �������� ������ � ����������� ����� ���������(������������� ������������� ��������) ���� � ����� �� �������. ��� ���������� ���� �������� � �������� �� ��� �� ������� ��� ������ ������� �� �����. ��� ������ ������ ���������� ������ ��� ������� ������ ���������.
   Iv
  Tucson 
   Response for: ������ at 9/10/2003 8:10:00 PM
Myach sdelal ochen' horoshii point - legalizatsiya nelegalov ne prineset bol'shih dohodov s tochki zreniya nalogov, tak kak za rabotauschih za cash nalogi platit chelovek, im etot cash platyaschii. Est' konechno variantiy rabotiy za tipsiy ili nyanechkami, no dazhe tam neyasno, s chego pust' dazhe legalizovannii nelegal nachnet platit' nalogi, esli etogo mozhno ne delat'...
   Iv
  Tucson 
   Response for: Iv at 9/10/2003 8:28:00 PM
..t.e. eto Tsinik skazal, sorry..
   Lev Kobrin
  Sunny Isles Beach 
   Response for: Myach at 9/10/2003 12:31:00 PM
Hi, Myach: This is good analysis/ However, don't exaggerate the situation. For example, in order to buy a gun/ a person must present evidence of immigration status. While balloting, a voter also should demonstrate his passport (Birth certificate, or Certificate of Naturalization, or Certificate of Sitizenship). Nevertheless, I like you way of thinking? Lev Kobrin.
   Lev Kobrin
  Sunny Isles Beach 
   Response for: ������ at 9/10/2003 8:10:00 PM
������! ��-������, �� ���� ���� ������ ��� ���� ��������, � �������� ����������� �������. � ��� �� ����� �������� ��� ��� ������ � �������������� ���������� ����������. ������� - ����������. � ��� ����� �������� ������� ���� ���� ����������� �����, �, ��� ����, ��� (����������) ����� ���� � �������� (� ������ �� ������, � �� ������� ������). ���������� ���� ���������, � ��� ������ �� �����. ��� ��� �� ���� �� �������� ���, ��� �� �������. �� - ��� ��� �� ���. ������ ����, ����� ����� �� ��� ������, ��� ��� ���� - ����� �� ����� (������� 245(i), ����������� �� 30 ������ 2001 �.? ����� �� ��� ������� ������ � ���������� ������������� �������������? ����� ����������. ������� � ������ ����: "������� �� ��������� ��� �� ����� ������". ��� �������-�� � ������� �������: ��-�����, ����� �������� � ��������� ��� - ������ �������, ��� ������� ����� ����������� ��� ������� ������ �� ����������� ��� ��� �����. ��� ������.
 
 

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